RE: [XaraXtreme-dev] Substituted fonts and Bug 1057

[Martin Wuerthner <lists@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

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          "Charles Moir" <CharlesM@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

> OK input gratefully received. We're going to discuss this at a Xara LX
> meeting we have here tomorrow.

So, that means you do not want to change anything for the 0.5 release? 

It would not be hard to change the application default font handling 
to resolve "sans-serif" and use that instead of insisting on Arial.

Martin

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:owner-dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Carl Worth
>> Sent: 22 May 2006 21:02
>> To: dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: [XaraXtreme-dev] Substituted fonts and Bug 1057
>> 
>> On Mon, 22 May 2006 21:16:59 +0200, Martin Wuerthner wrote:
>> > 
>> > I do not think Carl proposed encoding "Serif" or "Sans" in the
>> > document. Rather, having a default font "Sans" that is
>> resolved to a
>> > real existing font (taking the user's own choices into
>> account or by
>> > default, the system-wide font configuration) on the machine
>> where the
>> > document is created. Then, that font name is put in the document.
>> 
>> Yes, that's the idea.
>> 
>> Discussion might be easier if we talk about "unresolved font patterns"
>> that through some substitution machinery can be mapped to a
>> "resolved font". (In the following I'll sometimes use
>> "pattern" and "font" as shorthands for these two concepts
>> when unambiguous.)
>> 
>> With that terminology I think it's easier to talk about which
>> of these objects are getting stored rather than talking about
>> whether font substitution is allowed or not in certain
>> situations. For example, the convention might be:
>> 
>>  * Xara's "default font" should be an unresolved font pattern.
>> 
>>  * Templates should also be able to provide an unresolved font pattern
>>    that will be the default font after the template is loaded.
>> 
>>  * Any text that has actually been visually laid out by a user and
>>    saved into a document should be saved with a resolved font.
>> 
>> And then the rules for substitution might be as follows. [The
>> details here might be wrong, since I don't actually know how
>> text is saved in Xara documents, but perhaps the outline will
>> still be useful.]
>> 
>> It's always fine to use font substitution machinery to
>> resolve a pattern to a font. No prompting should be necessary.
>> 
>> However, if font substitution is necessary for converting
>> from one resolved font to another for display of a document,
>> then the user should perhaps be notified that there's a lack
>> of fidelity in the displayed result. As Alex mentioned, this
>> sort of substitution should not change the resolved font
>> being stored in the data structures, (so that subsequent
>> editing of non-text elements does not change the resolved
>> font emitted into the document on the next save).
>> 
>> Finally, the case Alex didn't mention is that of trying to
>> edit text that is set in a non-existent font. In this case,
>> it's probably the case that some permanent substitution would
>> have to take place and the user needs a big scary warning
>> about the irreversible change that will occur in the document
>> (or whatever).
>> 
>> -Carl