RE: [XaraXtreme-dev] Text on path indents

[Martin Wuerthner <lists@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Thanks, that a good point to keep in mind though it should not cause 
any problems. As far as I can see, the formatting code handles that 
fine.

Yes, you can do it on the right hand side, too, but the wrapping code 
will stop you from having more text on the line than will fit between 
the physical margins. So, you can have text hanging off the right hand 
side but you cannot then fill all the space up to the left hand 
margin. With left aligned text starting with a negative kern you can 
fill all the space to the right because you start with a negative 
width, so you can go up to the allowed width, whereas in the right 
aligned case, the wrapping code will not allow you to exceed the width 
and then jump back under the limit later on.

Martin

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          "Gerry Iles" <GerryI@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

> It is possible to make the text extend beyond the left indent/margin by
> inserting a negative kern.  I'm not sure it is possible with the right
> indent/margin, it may be if the text is right aligned but I think the
> wrapping code will stop it happening.
> 
> Gerry
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: 05 July 2006 13:07
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> Subject: RE: [XaraXtreme-dev] Text on path indents
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> In message <5056CBC646CB4047BB26120F4377DB719BA761@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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>           "Charles Moir" <CharlesM@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
>> It's all tied up with your new margin stuff I guess Martin, which is
> why
>> you're asking I presume.
> 
> Yes. When rewriting the text formatting code in order to handle tab
> stops I found the code to handle left/right indents and could not
> figure out how to set them using the user interface. That is clear now
> (at least in Xtreme), so I will be able to test that my new code
> handles these indents correctly, too.
> 
>> For consistency are you thinking of showing margins on the ruler for
>> text on a curve just as you do for normal text?
> 
> Yes, but the ruler margins I have added are different from (i.e., on
> top of) the indents for text on curve. The latter are physical margins
> that change the space the complete text story is formatted into.
> Actually, as far as the text is concerned, they are not really margins
> at all. Instead, you can imagine them cutting out the piece of the
> curve that is really wanted. The margins that are set on the ruler
> (left, right and first line indents) are logical margins that apply to
> paragraphs. You cannot really confuse the two - the text is formatted
> using the logical margins (possibly different for each paragraph and
> possibly different for the first line of a paragraph as opposed to the
> others) into the physical space determined by the physical margins.
> 
> Regarding displaying the tab ruler in the ruler bar: A text ruler is a
> logical thing that changes the way text is formatted. The tab and
> margin positions do not generally match with the visual positions in
> the selected piece of text anyway. Imagine having a tab ruler in its
> own window in the top left corner of the screen. That would still
> work, but attempting to show the ruler aligned to the physical text
> position helps the user because the tab stop positions correspond to
> the tab positions in the text. At least in some common circumstances.
> Clearly, this is not possible for rotated text or text on a curve
> unless one wanted to display the ruler on the canvas, which is
> probably not a good idea in general.
> 
> Even for centered or right-aligned text the tab ruler positions do not
> match those in the actual text because no application I have seen so
> far moves the tab ruler display to accomodate the justification. The
> tabs are always displayed left aligned (with the ruler 0 position
> aligned with the left physical text margin).
> 
> Martin